Which of the following is more like communism?
The way Linux is free and encourages sharing of code.
The way Microsoft licensing doesn't allow one to own software they purchase.
could be either answer depending on what you take for communism: the ideology where the wealth is shared equally or the tagname some totalitarian governments have used.
Posted by Ariel Arjona on April 1, 2004 3:24
Yeah, you can switch my vote from MS to Linux.
Posted by Ran on April 1, 2004 4:24
I was thinking more along the lines of a monolithic entity issuing 5-year plans for progress rather than the rough and tumble copmetition in the marketplace of ideas.
You know that MSFT isn't touched by market pressures when one of their big projects is to use radio waves to provide a tenth of the functionality that my cellphone has.
Posted by dave on April 2, 2004 10:39
Real communism is not about something free and not encoraging sharing something - it's about "nothing is yours".
Posted by Sergey Chernyshev on April 2, 2004 2:35
This is somewhat misleading option about M$. Almost no software EULA, including GPL, allows the user to own the software. The only exception is probably software released under BSD style licenses.
In any case M$ sells licenses not software, so no one can claim that he bought a software from M$.
Posted by mark on April 3, 2004 9:42
'Real communism is not about something free and not encoraging sharing something - it's about "nothing is yours".'
No, it's the exact opposite. The communist ideal is that everyone owns everything. The net result is the same, but the ideals are miles apart.
Therefore, Linux (and Mozilla) is more like communism as everyone 'owns' the code. Microsoft, on the other hand, is very much capitalist as they have 'earned' their success and can do what they like with it.
I'm not suprised at the current poll results, though. The USA (created as a capitalist utopia) is very good at telling it's people how evil communism is. Generally, they are right about the reality (Stalin etc.), but the ideal is pretty darn perfect (wouldn't it be nice if everyone just shared, helped each other out and just got along?).
The reason why so many people don't want to admit the link between Linux and communism (which is pretty insignificant in pratical terms) is because it's seen as somehow unAmerican. The people who started these things saw the link, though: just look at Mozilla's original artwork.
Posted by Anon on April 3, 2004 6:09
communism is the last stage of capitalism ;)
Posted by xmp on April 5, 2004 3:56
Yep. But real communism is not ideal! Real communism is what we had in USSR.
I was born in USSR and lived most of my life in there - I'm not altered by US propaganda - I saw the reality.
Posted by Sergey Chernyshev on April 7, 2004 12:56
We have many models working at many different levels in our earth lifes.
Our families are often modeled as communism, where we share all in a community (family), when one of the parents is a despote or strict in his/her rules then we can call the model despotism or fascism.
Schools, unless free schools, are often modeled after a fascistic model with strict rules and a clear hierarchy.
Companies can have 2 main models, vertical with again a strict hierarchy and clear leadership in a fascistic model, and horizontal where managers work together on a 1 on 1 basis with all sorts of employees.
We all know what models governments can have.
What I try to say is that our modern society is very complex having several models applied at various levels of that society and working at the same time.
So you can never compare anything to a single model and have a simplistic view of things.
Microsoft is a lease company that leases a standard product called windows, like a car company they have only a few models.
Linux is a business method (tool) used by various companies for them to be able to make money by offering solutions to other companies.
The solution mostly is a for that company and problem adapted version of Linux.
If you have a problem at your company, would you rather have your problem solved, or would you lease a standard product and try to solve the problem yourself?
People that try to offer solutions with windows will bump into a big patent/copyright/closed-source wall sooner or later, all of them.
Posted by Bas Burger on April 10, 2004 11:44
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