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September 16, 2003

3:31 PM Mozilla Suite vs Firebird causing a rift among developers

"I think the Firebird development community is too small and too exclusive and thus tends to change things whose original rationale they do not know." - David Baron

Indeed. There is a heated discussion on the mozdev project owners mailing list about this topic lately. Developers are getting frustrated by the direction Mozilla is taking and are unsure about developing for a moving target.

Mozilla Firebird, and the focus of the Mozilla Foundation on end users has only worsened this issue. Mozilla Firebird has had very little focus as a developer product for building applications. Sure, the extensions are there, but they target the Firebird UI directly, and since Firebird is a 0.6 release, the developers accept the ongoing changes to the base product.

The Seamonkey framework hasn't changed that much lately. Changes to XUL have been generally insignificant since 1.0. Firebird and the new toolkit seems poised to change that however. Sure, adding features such as custom toolbars are great, but why the change from the base XBL files being in /bindings to now being in /widgets? Compatibility seems to have been intentionally broken. I think that the Firebird developers began to focus too much on the 'simple product' user and lost track of the developer.

With regards to API changes, I think freezing interfaces that have some flaws now is better than rearchitecting them, breaking compatibility, and then freezing them. No matter how you improve the interfaces, there will always be something wrong with them.

One problem though is that Mozilla is significantly more customizable and extensible than other products. Many extensions actually rely on specific elements of the UI or other aspects to remain constant. If your extension depends on there being a Back button with a menu that works a certain way, of course it's going to break if an improvement is made to the base browser product.

Added to which are the hordes of people with nightly builds, beta releases, and people with the Mozilla suite and others with Firebird, and you end up with a vast array of incompatibility problems to deal with. Remember though, mozilla.org has only ever in their history released two API stable browser products. The first was Mozilla 1.0 and the second was Mozilla 1.4. Remember that it's only the hordes of users that want it to work on every release, not the Mozilla Foundation. I don't think that nightly builds should have any requirement to be compatible entirely.

The original point dbaron made was that developers are changing things that they don't know much about. Over time, this usually happens. The reasons why something was done a particular way are lost over time. Specifically, he was referring to the way that the font settings in Firebird were moved deeper in the preferences.

As I said when work on Firebird was just starting (then called Phoenix), the goal of the Firebird project is to make the browser simpler, not to make it more usable.

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September 15, 2003

11:27 PM Better XULPlanet.com Searches

I've finally figured out how the search system on XULPlanet worked and have updated it. Doing searches should now return useful results.

I've also just noticed that some forums have appeared on XULPlanet.com. I'm not actually sure who put them there though. Mystery administrator perhaps?

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6:18 PM On the tenth day of software devlopment, I received Ten Corrupted Files

"Even if you provide the best documentation in the world about what to do and what not to do ... developers will find a way to do the wrong thing."

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September 14, 2003

Why Mozilla Doesn't Use Native Widgets
Includes a few things I didn't know

3:12 PM On the ninth day of software devlopment, I received Nine Different Kinds of Linebreaks

"Don't assume that when you use a 'portable' langauge or toolkit, that it will handle all of the portability for you. The toolkits do some of the work for you, but they don't magically do appropriate translation for you if you make incorrect assumptions about how other platforms work."

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September 13, 2003

5:47 PM On the eighth day of software devlopment, I received Eight Point Fonts

"When building an application, don't assume that one kind of user is in the majority. In fact, all of your users are in the minority."

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September 12, 2003

4:25 PM Na'r sedmı giorno ni desenvolvimento do hugbúnağur, j'empfing Sewe Tercüme Ordbok

"People around the world won't be able to enter a valid [zip code] and you'll find that you have a disproportionate number of users from Beverly Hills."

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September 11, 2003

1:19 PM On the sixth day of software devlopment, I received Six Gradient Filter Plug-ins

"The more additional tools that are needed to extend an application, the less likely it is that extensions will be created."

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September 10, 2003

4:02 PM On the fifth day of software devlopment, I received Five Cool Screensavers

"When people use a computer, they like to dress it up in a such a way to make it their own. This is why systems let you customize the desktop image, add a screensaver and change some fonts and colours. These customizations don't provide any useful value, except to make the user feel at home."

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